tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post2541541344854464905..comments2024-03-29T07:38:17.008-05:00Comments on The Music Salon: Pop Music Has the Prestige NowBryan Townsendhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-61564570978101925232017-08-06T11:54:08.632-05:002017-08-06T11:54:08.632-05:00You're welcome. I think young people fall prey...You're welcome. I think young people fall prey to ideologies quite easily. For one thing they are fed them by the schools. And for another, ideologies provide nice clear and simple answers to all questions. Wrong ones, of course! The Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson has a lot of videos on YouTube in which he discusses ideologies. I recommend them!Bryan Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-47624940109996357102017-08-06T11:25:03.633-05:002017-08-06T11:25:03.633-05:00And Bryan, thanks for the advice on how to most ef...And Bryan, thanks for the advice on how to most effectively challenge their thinking. I was once very ideological myself, and especially to young person who has not yet been forced by life and real people to see how the subjective world and social complexity end of making contradictory positions both true and both inadequate as mental models, I understand the attraction of an intellectual system that is internally consistent and all-encompassing. Only time and honest study of "examples that don't fit" can help bring such minds to the point where we finally know we don't actually know much....Will Wilkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997868915978439364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-67397964825381735152017-08-06T11:21:17.720-05:002017-08-06T11:21:17.720-05:00There is no cheaper access to hope than buying a l...There is no cheaper access to hope than buying a lottery ticket every week. Meanwhile, Marc, here is an affordable luthier devoted to the spirit of antique instruments:<br /><br />https://www.etsy.com/shop/Glennsshipmodelsetc?ref=search_shop_redirect<br /><br />His Medieval Citole offering:<br /><br />https://www.etsy.com/listing/259367688/medieval-citole?ref=shop_home_active_10<br /><br />and his Renaissance Cittern offering:<br /><br />https://www.etsy.com/listing/526696852/renaissance-cittern?ref=shop_home_active_5<br /><br />his Medieval Gittern offering:<br /><br />https://www.etsy.com/listing/259263197/medieval-gittern?ref=shop_home_active_21<br />Will Wilkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997868915978439364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-23321039437197205422017-08-06T10:48:32.344-05:002017-08-06T10:48:32.344-05:00I bought a lottery ticket once, but since I didn&#...I bought a lottery ticket once, but since I didn't win, I gave up on it as a bad deal.Bryan Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-29694006361295898422017-08-06T09:35:27.918-05:002017-08-06T09:35:27.918-05:00Unfortunately, I never do actually buy one of thos...Unfortunately, I never do actually buy one of those tickets, ha: but if I did I'd be well on my way to playing a mean version of Desprez's <i>Nimphes nappes</i> in no time (isn't that how the lottery works?).Marc in Eugenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04331547981498637474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-33665624387946947652017-08-06T09:07:44.396-05:002017-08-06T09:07:44.396-05:00I hope you win!I hope you win!Bryan Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-59435309662138508452017-08-06T09:00:17.835-05:002017-08-06T09:00:17.835-05:00Good luck, Will! and thanks for the links. I don&#...Good luck, Will! and thanks for the links. I don't think I've ever been to that place except for very briefly when Bryan posted about it, to gawk at the accident's victims. I myself don't have the energy, time, or inclination to seriously engage with those people.<br /><br />Now am going out to purchase a lottery ticket so that when I win five or six thousand dollars I can buy a lute. :-)Marc in Eugenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04331547981498637474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-28977194710295302512017-08-06T06:30:50.536-05:002017-08-06T06:30:50.536-05:00Will, over at Musicology Now you are a lone voice ...Will, over at Musicology Now you are a lone voice in the wilderness. They will ignore you on general principle. But I notice that at least one professor did reply to a comment. If you have time, you might continue leaving the occasional comment. If you do I suggest that you use the most focused tactics you can. These people do not have good arguments; instead they have ideological bias and lies--on which they are rarely challenged. But you have to challenge in very specific ways. For example, in the second link you include Kelly Hiser says: "If we wish to do good as musicologists, we must also recognize our discipline’s historic and ongoing complicity in white supremacist structures that enabled a Trump Presidency." This is a typical post-modern view and it is based on a false understanding that everything boils down to power relationships. Once you accept the assumptions you have lost the argument. So challenge the assumption: "why do you think musicology is complicit with white supremacism?" "Does doing good as musicologists necessarily mean adopting radical leftist political views?" There are a lot of questions you could ask that would force her to admit her ideology. Don't make any broad claims yourself, but instead challenge her broad claims. Your first job is to sow doubt.Bryan Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-48614812454786068122017-08-05T23:05:07.649-05:002017-08-05T23:05:07.649-05:00Marc and Bryan, I have been trying to reach some o...Marc and Bryan, I have been trying to reach some of the authors at musicologynow.com, complaining about their focus on pop culture and their dismissal of serious music out of political motives devoid of aesthetics. Here is my most serious attempt at countering their politicization of musicology to the detriment of aesthetics:<br /><br />http://musicologynow.ams-net.org/2017/02/music-history-pedagogy-and-political.html<br /><br />Here are a few more examples of their articles under which I tried to initiate serious conversation but have been mostly ignored:<br /><br />http://musicologynow.ams-net.org/2017/03/can-we-sound-good-or-what-is.html<br /><br />http://musicologynow.ams-net.org/2017/06/dissertation-digest-theatre-of-politics.html<br /><br />http://musicologynow.ams-net.org/2017/05/love-double-bind-taste-test-on-music-in.htmlWill Wilkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997868915978439364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-81786598008088762472017-08-05T07:14:57.651-05:002017-08-05T07:14:57.651-05:00The Music Salon has operatives everywhere!The Music Salon has operatives everywhere!Bryan Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09482696991279345516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8827040061563065922.post-11328128023498300582017-08-04T21:09:05.824-05:002017-08-04T21:09:05.824-05:00"Check out the blog of the august American Mu..."Check out the blog of the august American Musicological Society: musicologynow. Lately it's all pop culture, all the time. Anything else would be elitist or worse, apparently." ('Lutoslawski' in the comments to the Kennicott essay, at 7:47 PDT 08/03. :-)Marc in Eugenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04331547981498637474noreply@blogger.com